| Testimonials: PK
Beyond Cosmetic Surgery |
Dear Dr. Friedberg,
I first learned of this propofol ketamine (PK) technique
several years ago when I posted the dilemma of patients
of a certain cosmetic surgeon with whom I worked. This colleague
attributed his post-op problems (facial hematomas and wound
dehiscences) to anesthetic techniques.... namely relatively
low BP intraop with subsequent BP rise on emergence and
extubation causing bleeding as well as straining on extubation
causing wound suture dispuption.
Before trying it out, I obtained printed literature on
this method after Dr. Friedberg suggested his technique.
I have had very good results. The cosmetic surgeon now attributes
his suboptimal outcomes on less-than-ideal O.R. equipment
as well as patient factors. However, the patients awaken
quickly post-op, often amazed to find out everything was
completed and that two or three hours had elapsed. Recovery
and day surgery nurses also were impressed.
There is a bit of puzzlement how to class the anesthetic...whether
neurolept or general. I tell them
check off general, since the patient is non-rousable
while the Propofol drip is running, although without local
anesthetic it may not have worked as impressively. As it
turns out, the cosmetic surgeon for whose patients I first
began to use this technique hasnt booked many cases
suitable to this technique in the intervening years. Nonetheless,
Ive adapted the method to a variety of other procedures
much more frequently performed at my home hospital.
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Morbidly obese patients. No....not for the gastroplasty
and/or bypass, but for some minor procedures occasionally
done post-op before the patients begin to lose much
weight. In the laparoscopically banded procedures occasionally
the injection port needs to be re-sutured or alternatively
adjusted. In open procedures, wounds occasionally get
superficial infection. The surgeons have tried local
only but quickly gave it up. The PK method is ideal...maintenance
of spontaneous breathing and airway (O.K. a bit of mandibular
support on occasion), good surface analgesia and immobility
for the surgeon. Many of these patients have awoken
reporting a feeling of euphoria and well-being.
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Hemorrhoid surgery in prone position. A new surgeon
learned this in residency...better exposure and less
bleeding than supine-lithotomy or lateral positions...and
its caught on with other general surgeons. Where
she trained, the anesthetists have boluses of fentanyl
and midazolam. I was already comfortable with PK so
used this, letting the patient self-position while awake,
then titrating to sleep with propofol and giving ketamine
just before the local. Patient awaken prone and obligingly
turns onto side on the recovery room gurney parked next
to the OR table. Works equally well for pilonidal cyst
excisions. I find these patients are often obese, sedentary
types and Im glad not to have to intubate and
then flip over (and later back) 100+ Kg. of dead weight
and flopping appendages.
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Many superficial procedures where muscle relaxant
isnt needed and local can be infiltrated. Many
breast excision biopsies and simple hernia repairs fall
into this category. If its not sufficient, then
its no big deal to switch to inhalational anesthetic
and insert LMA or even inject a reduced propofol dose
and intubate.
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Ive begun to do knee arthroscopies by this method.
One orthopod needed reassurance that he could proceed
when he saw a patient lying there without a tube or
LMA in the mouth breathing room air and when I told
him that it WASNT a spinal.
Anesthetic colleagues also ask whether my patients dont
emerge dysphoric or delirious from ketamine, a drug
they regard as akin to L.S.D. I explain that it can
happen when ketamine is used solo in large
doses (even then not that often or severely), but as
a dissociative agent given to an already unconscious
patient, its a non-issue. I remind some of them
that they routinely reverse each and every patient...generally
employing neostigmine and atropine...a far worse culprit
in producing delirium.
- I had an ortho list yesterday.... total knee and then
several ganglia, a carpal tunnel and some knee scopes.
The first case was spinal, the rest were PK with local
by the surgeon. Supplemental O2 was required neither post-op
nor for that matter intraop in any of these patients.
Hate to say there are still lots of colleagues around
whod have intubated and ventilated each of these
patients, likely lugging some of them into recovery room
still intubated. Sore throats, achy muscles, several extra
hours of recovery time and nursing hours, perhaps even
an unscheduled overnight admission, even if worse problems
such as traumatic intubations or bobbled extubations followed
by laryngospasm and negative-pressure edema didnt
occur.
Alan Tallmeister, MD
Unionville
Ontario, Canada
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Dear Barry,
Just a quick note to say hello again and to let you know
of my latest exploits with PKRASV. I had a case some time
ago of an elderly lady who was a pulmonary cripple for segmental
mastectomy. Did her under PKRASV, worked great. Wrote the
case report and it was accepted for publication in American
Journal of Anesthesiology- but the journal just folded before
it could be printed! I was just a little too late, I guess.
Anyway, I did another case today for colonoscopy. The GI
doc called me to do the case because she had "failed"
under prior sedation regimens by non-anesthesiologists.
A little ketamine and propofol, and next thing I knew, the
case was done, the patient was laughing and joking, and
the GI doc was in my gratitude. It's nice to have a tool
that works so well!
Thanks, and keep it up-
Skip Culp
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Barry,
I've been using propofol with
ketamine for 4-5 years now. Initially I mixed them in the
same syringe, but about a year ago I started using 25-50
mg ketamine boluses separately. It works great as a supplement
to MAC for breast biopsies and hernia repairs. I also use
it for a laundry list of procedures that do not lend themselves
to "conventional" MAC, things like closed reductions,
lithotripsy, debridements. I used it last week on a woman
who dislocated her jaw and had her mouth jammed open. Also
used it last week for an open ankle reduction on an anticoagulated
patient with a fresh MI (his heart rate and blood pressure
never changed from baseline). It is the answer to every
anesthesia question. Many of the surgeons now request the
technique. None of the patients has had any complaint; although
some have noted particularly pleasant experiences.
Steven Schrenzel MD
Media, PA
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Dear Barry,
Just a follow up. We have performed well
over 1000 anesthetics for out patient neurosurgery cases
using a modification of the PK in the last 11 months. No
admissions, VERY infrequent nausea and only one episode
of vomiting. (this in a diabetic with severe gastroparesis
and regurg preop) We do modify your described anesthetic
protocol using "BKK" infiltrated prior to and
with closing the incision, and have come up with additional
"tricks" using inexpensive old reliable off patent
agents. BKK is .25% marcaine with epi (1:400,000,ketolorac0.1mg/cc,ketamine0.5mg/cc)
Typically our patients verbal pain scores are 4 to 5 with
in 3 minutes of extubation. Load po hydrocodone 10 to 20
mg as soon as swallowing safely. 90 to 95% of our patients
bypass level one recovery. Our patients are fully ambulatory,
void, and tolerate po fluids prior to home discharge. Average
pain score 1 to 2, never discharged with a score higher
than 5 by protocol. Our "record" d/c time post
extubation is 47 minutes male, 43 minutes female.
Our propofol and inhalational agent costs
are incredibly low. In addition very infrequent antiemetic
need relates to lower total formulary and fluid costs, not
to mention the staffing costs. Our turn over times average
3 to 4 minutes. Our surgeons are very happy and tired of
the patients commenting "how wonderful we are".
The only complaint from our staff has been lack of over
time (1.5 x standard pay). I am crunching the numbers for
our lumbar lam, posterior cervical lam, and anterior cervical
lam/fusion patients and hope to have some meaningful hard
data soon. Your thoughts on where to submit for publication?
Brad Worthington
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